Monday, June 20, 2005

WORSE MOMENTS IN DETROIT HISTORY

Rasheed Wallace's decision to double team Manu Ginobili was one of the dumbest decisions in Detroit sports history.
It ranked with Isiah Thomas throwing the ball to Larry Bird in the 1987 Eastern Conference Finals that turned certain victory into doom and gloom defeat.
It ranks with Marty Mornhenweg taking the wind instead of the ball against the Chicago Bears.
It ranks with the Chris Webber time out against North Carolina.
Actually Wallace tried to duplicate that by calling a time out the Pistons did not have.
I won't go any further. I want to know what were your moments of anguish. What event ticked you off the most?
What event wanted to make you kick your dog or bash your television?
I bet you a bunch of sets were bashed when Wallace left Horry to trap Ginobili.
And how out of it was Wallace? He said he wanted to trap Tim Duncan down low.
Huh?
Any way. Your thoughts.

38 Comments:

Anonymous Tracy said...

So many frustrating things last night - everybody seems to be blaming Rasheed but my WTF moment was that wild shot Rip took with 5.9 seconds left. And that kind of sums up how The Pistons were playing last night. What a let down.

10:21 AM

 
Anonymous Mike V. said...

Rip punking out on Horry's dunk was awful. If he stands tall, takes charge, Horry is gone and 2 points come off the board. Result...Pistons ball, up 4, game over IMHO.

Mike V.

10:24 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

I do agree that Rip should have taken that charge. I also feel he should have passed to Tayshaun for an easy dunk. But Rashid takes the crown however they can come back and win this series I am not giving up on this team.

10:32 AM

 
Blogger Commish said...

My first post on your blog, and the first on this subject, but I can't let this pitch sail by.

In order, I'll take Webber's mistake over Wallace's, but only by a hair. If you were the Spurs with that possession, down by 2, your #1 option had to be to get Horry an open look. I had no idea Rasheed could be so out of it, to gift-wrap that scenario for San Antonio within three seconds of their inbound.

You knew the guy already wasn't thinking clearly at the end of the game, when he missed a technical foul by about .01 seconds with that failed time-out. But what fantastical lack of reason does it require to think that a trap would be a good idea, never mind if it's Horry you're leaving open on the perimeter or anyone else? All you need is a stop... a turnover would be nice, but not entirely vital. If he did get trapped with no outlet, Manu could just take another time-out and they could reset.

I just don't get it.

10:35 AM

 
Blogger dt said...

Some of the off-the-top of my head worst Detroit (bonehead) sports moments:

Isiah's pass to Bird - moment of relax by one of the best players of all time still in the learning-how-to-win process.

Sheed last night - moment of relax by one of the most confounding players of all time.

Zeke and Laimbeer walking off in 1991 after finally losing to MJ. Loved it then, hate it now. Am I getting old??!

Darrell Evans getting picked off third against the Twins in 1987 - lousy thing to happen to a great guy.

Alan Trammell bunting having Inge (top of the order) bunt yesterday in the bottom of the sixth of a tie game yesterday. - Not really one of the worst all time but just the latest of three years worth of dunderhead managing that would really cost us if our team was better!

Wayne Fontes. Anything. Anytime. More, though, for never figuring out how to use Barry Sanders.

And as an MSU grad, Chris Webber's time out is still one of the best moments of my sporting life!!!

10:49 AM

 
Anonymous Jazzy Jeff said...

You guys have pretty much listed em all. I think the game 7 loss in the '88 Finals to LA was horribly diappointing too, HAS to be a top 10 worst moment. Rasheed is in the top 5, but I think SA would've won both at home anyway. You know Ginobili will wake up at home and suddenly become a world beater again so the media can resume its love affair.

11:12 AM

 
Anonymous Muhme said...

How bout the idiot that runs that clock at MSU that doesnt know when to start/stop a damn clock!

Anyone in the Michigan secondary that couldnt knock the ball down when Kordell Stewart threw a 70 yard pass to Michael Westbrook.

CWebbs TO killed me.

Last night RIPS shot along with Sheeds double team was insane! WTF was he thinking...

Terry, I am glad that you noticed/mentioned that SHEED DID TRY TO TAKE A TO, but Billups had to basically assassinate him to get him to stop.

12:11 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

Muhme

I thought he was working for the Pistons. They have had a number of clock problems in the playoffs.

All however have been to their advantage.

hmmm... I wonder if Rasheed is aware if this conspiracy?

12:23 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

My how the pendulum swings in D-TOWN. That's what they mean by, "DEEEETROIT BASKETBALL"

Just the other day, there was talk about who would be the MVP. Now you can't wait to string Rasheed up.

As I mentioned, if the Pistons win, give the MVP to Ben Wallace for assaulting Ron Artest. With Artest's overly severe penalty, the Pistons were able to get by Indiana.

Oh, I see the bandwagon is empty today. Jethro must have moved on down to cousin Louie's family reunion.

12:32 PM

 
Blogger Leelanau Sports Guy said...

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12:32 PM

 
Blogger Leelanau Sports Guy said...

If Rasheed does the same thing and tips or steals Manu's pass, would we be saying that play sealed the win? Maybe, but it would probaby be the players who scored the points in overtime. To blame the entire game on one play is ridiculous. There were lots of mistakes by the Pistons, and lots of blame to go around.

12:34 PM

 
Anonymous listener said...

What's up with the lack of "1 more year" chants from us pistons fans to larry brown yesterday?

Sure he may be leaving us anyways, but i thought it would've been a good way to show repect to a coach who got us a championship!

12:40 PM

 
Blogger The_Real_Right_Way said...

You folks are forgetting a major one. What about drafting Darko Milicic.

This has to be near the top to the list of worst moments in Detroit history.

12:53 PM

 
Blogger hitman said...

Mike V.

I'm glad it wasn't just me who was outraged at Rip turning into a sissy in the lane. One of the most crucial plays and he bails. He cowered like my two year old, when I slam over him...

1:11 PM

 
Anonymous jazzy jeff said...

Yeah, I'll never forget the jubilation when the balls dropped in the manner that we got the #2 PICK, how Joe D. and everyone busted out the cee-gars, then drafted a teenager from Serbia who busted about 9.5 pts a game on his fellow countrymen. Who found him initially? Whose fault is this? And to have him on the playoff roster is a joke.

1:17 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Tracy,
I normally would be with you on Rip. He could have passed to Prince under the basket. But mental toughness and defense wins and loses games. Rasheed displayed neither on his play. He gets the most blame.

2:40 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Mike,
I will say it a million times. There is no guarantee the officials call it in the Pistons favor. They seemed to struggle with charges and blocks.

2:41 PM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Sports guy,
You never ever ever leave Robert Horry alone from the three-point line in the final moments of a game. Secondly, the only way Rasheed tips the pass is if he does a hard trap. He sort of waltzed over there like a butter fly and leaves Horry wide open.
Dumb play.

2:44 PM

 
Blogger hitman said...

I agree T about the hard trap. You might do this all game but NEVER on the last play up by two, especially when you are the one responsible for Horry. I think Rasheed realized that as well but was already committed, hence the hesitation and lazy trap.

3:08 PM

 
Anonymous Mike V. said...

Terry,


I'll say it a million more...HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE CALL!!!!!!

It was too obvious, too blatant, and Pistons had one coming after Big Ben fiasco earlie ron in series. He acts like a man, takes the hit head on, PIstons up 4, with the ball, and Horry is fouled out.

3:33 PM

 
Anonymous Nathan said...

I don't understand your comments about the bandwagon.

You act like when the Pistons lose, all of us fans should be here talking about how great they are. Our position as fans is to root for them, rain or shine. As far as I can tell, we're still rooting for them -- I know I am.

That doesn't change the fact that Rasheed made a bonehead play, as did Rip, that cost them the game. Of course, you have to give Horry the credit for exploiting both 'Sheed and Rip's huge mistakes. He made them pay for it, and for that, he deserves credit.

Just because I think they made bad plays doesn't mean that I'm "off the bandwagon." I'm still going to be watching Tuesday, cheering them on to force a game 7. A bad game doesn't change how much I like the Pistons. Even when Hunter is chucking up awful 3's, I'm still cheering for him to drop them.

3:43 PM

 
Blogger Ian C. said...

How about the decision in the Lions' playoff game vs. Green Bay (1993? 1994?) that left Sterling Sharpe wide open for a touchdown? Was it William White who turned the wrong way or jumped another route to let Sharpe get by him?

4:30 PM

 
Blogger Ian C. said...

By the way dt, Tom Gage says Inge's bunt yesterday was HIS decision, not Tram's. Not sure if that matters or not...

4:56 PM

 
Anonymous Brian said...

Why in the world would you leave a guy who burned you for 18 points in the 4th WIDE OPEN.

That will be one of the worse plays if we don't win it all. It will all be forgotton if we win it.

I'm still rootin for my boys. I'll still be rootin for them even if they lose.

9:38 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi

1:12 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I live and die with the Detroit Sports teams and I was at game 5. I'm only 26 but I can't remember leaving a game that heartbroken and devestated in a long time. T-Foster said it best Rasheed just cost the Pistons a championship. The worst moment in Detroit Sports History? I don't really remember Isiah's throwaway pass to Bird only from studying the history do I know about it, the 88 Finals I vaguely recall but the only thing I personally can compare this to was the 1991 conference finals against the Bulls when we were swept which I whole heartedly believe was a conspiracy to dethrone the Pistons and get that crybaby Jordan in the finals, and walking out of the Silverdome in January of 94 after the Wildcard playoff game when William White had a blown coverage call and Kevin Scott left Sterling Sharpe wide open. 55 Seconds away from a trip to San Francisco. Barry Sanders walking out on us in 1999 also ranks up there for me as well because the Lions stumbled into the playoffs at 8-8 and stumbled right out, with Barry they would have roared in and who knows what would've happened. In 1999 the Red Wings going for the 3-Peat up 2 games to none against the Avalanche and 1-0 in game three, the Avs kill a 5 on 3 powerplay tie the game shortly after and the Wings went on to lose 4 straight in one of the biggest collapes I've ever seen thank you Chris Osgood. The Pistons were 9 seconds away from a 3-2 chokehold on a Spurs team that is soft as they are lucky to have Horry play the game of his life and that the Pistons had to bang with Shaq for 7 games which left them dead for the first 2 games in San Antonio while the Spurs just chilled at the country club after beating the frauds from Phoenix. Unlike those past Detroit Sports failures they are what they are history, Sheed has a chance to do what Isiah, Barry, William White, Osgood and whoever that referee was who called that phantom foul on Laimbeer in Game 6 of the 88 Finals only wish they could do, rewrite their history, or at least the first 4 on that list. I love Sheed we wouldn't have won last year without him and wouldn't even be playing right now without him, but he cost us one, now he's gotta give us two in San Antonio or that heavyweight belt is going to look awkward with the biggest pair of goat horns the motor city has ever seen.

Heart of a Champion

2:16 AM

 
Blogger tensilver said...

I forgot what year it was or the exact final score but like some years, maybe 4 or 5 when State was playing football against Northwestern they had the lead but NW was making a huge comeback, Zack Kustok made a hailmary pass but it was about to States 35 yrd line and one of our corners deflected it into NW's WR's hands, then they kicked a field goal with like a second left and won...I was only like 14 but holy crap was that upsetting, and when all your friends are michigan fans!!!!

3:20 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

listener,
You are not going to hear one more year chants for Larry Brown. People are upset with him. They feel he created a distraction during the playoffs by courting the Cleveland job. Everybody wants to part ways. and I do believe it will happen.

6:45 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

once again Mike. YOU DO NOT KNOW!!
The first Ginobili charge with Ben Wallace was obvious. I talked to an NBA official who admitted it. But then it happened again and Ben did not get the call.
I talked to my same friend in the NBA and I will bring it up on the show today. He said he did not think Rip was there in time and felt he would have gotten the blocking anyway

6:47 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Ian,
great call on the Lions playoff game with Sterling Sharp. What happned was half the defense thought they were in cover two and the other half thought they were in cover three. Sharp just went untouched and uncovered for an easy touchdown.
It is another example of how lack of mental preperation can hurt you.

6:49 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

Doesn't Michigan State football have a pisser of a loss every season where something weird happens? I feel sorry for the fella's. they have a brain freeze a year.

6:50 AM

 
Blogger dt said...

ian -

Caught that on Gage's sNews blog. Thanks for the heaeds up.

7:35 AM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

Okay I will say this tot the guys that said he is anoymynous and 26 and lives and dies as a piston. I really hope that you are joking. The players don;t take it that seriously so why should you. Terry I have been hearing rumors that Rashid was high b4 the game is there any truth to it. I hope that those rumors are false.

8:39 AM

 
Blogger T Foster said...

billionaire,
I did not hear rumors Rasheed was high before the game. I knew the rumors would come out after his two meltdowns.

9:17 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Billionaire must be a bandwagon fan, any true hardcore fan lives and dies with their team in any sport, just talk to Art Regner after a Red Wing playoff loss where they got outshot 42 to 21 and lost 2-1. Or after a Lions loss when he used to do the Lions postgame show on WDFN, those rants were legendary. So was his Rant last year after the wings lost a playoff game to Nashville, even the Red Wings themselves know how passionate Art is about HIS Red Wings, and they appreciate it.

12:02 PM

 
Blogger billionaire said...

I like it when someone calls me a band wagon fan. I call myself a realistic fan and call it as i see it. I actually thought the pistons in 6 and I was almost right. But I changed it to 7 check the past blogs and my tone has not changed. Me and Real and Nate and Dt have all had battles on different aspects of this whole playoffs. Oh Man i smell it now Here comes the Lions will win the superbowl kick coming

5:00 PM

 
Anonymous Justin in his Car said...

I lsten to the show every morning, and have to agree. I'm not sure what LB was telling the guys before that fated shot, but I know what my friends and I were talking about at Scorekeepers in Ann Arbor: Guard Robert Horry at all cost. Pay me the league minimum, and Horry doesn't get that shot off.

7:34 PM

 
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